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>> cenk: of the $5 million sarah palin's pac raised, 6% actually went to candidates. 94% went to some sort of consultant. that devastating story tonight on "the young turks".com. "viewpoint" is next. >> john: the republican party relief in a historic letter signed by every g.o.p. senator representative calling for the end of the military industrial complex and demanding the income on the wealthy and opening medicare to all american citizen mis. the vatican announced that the women can serve as priests in the rome catholic church while lifting the celacy ban and president obama's joins the g.o.p. in demanding a
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comprehensive carbon tax to stop climate change, and apparently it's april fool's day, too. happy birthday. and on this day as rush limbaugh say, this is the day that heresy began. this is "viewpoint." [ ♪ music ♪ ] >> good evening, i'm john fugelsang and this is "viewpoint." the senate may have moved a violent step closer to immigration reform bill.
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they spread the news sunday. >> well, i think we've got a deal. we've got a legislation for 2013 i hope will be the year that we pass bipartisan immigration reform. >> business and labor have an agreement on the future flow with which has been the issue that has undone immigration reform in the past. this is a major major obstacle that is overcome. >> john: future flow meaning the flow of guest workers in into the country and leaders who worked out the details with senator schumer friday night. if approved their deal would cover low-skilled year-round temporary workers. it would allow that group 20,000 to 75,000 annual visas in the first four years and up to 200,000 annual visas depending on the unemployment rate after that. once in the u.s. guest workers can change jobs and pursue a
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path to citizenship, and guest workers would be allowed to fill no more than 15,000 high skilled construction jobs. and as for wages, they would pay for the wages earned by an already established work with similar experience and skills, which ever one is higher. if you're wondering what the rest of the immigration bill might look like, senator schumer offered this. >> people will be legalized not citizens but they will be allowed to work, come out of the shadows, travel. then we'll make sure that the border is secure and we have specific metrics that are in the bill. i am not going to get into what they are to make sure that happens. and then after that happens there is a path to citizenship. >> john: what about metrics and marco rubio's path to the presidency. they have maids a charter for the party of eight and rubio
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didn't sign off on any of these proposals. instead, his office released a statement that reports of an agreement were premature. once more, i quote, we will need a healthy public debate that includes committee hearings and the opportunity for other senators to improve our legislation with other middle easts. to succeed this process cannot be rush order done in secret. i'm joined to be joined by robert reich author of the book "beyond outrage: what has gone wrong with our economy." >> hi, john. >> john: happy april fool's. were you surprised they could come together on this issue that has broken efforts of immigration reform every time previously? >> yes if it hadn't been for today, i would have thought it was an april fool's joke. i can't remember the first time that they got together on
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anything. and this really is fascinating. they have very different motives here. the chamber of commerce is interested in having a supply of guest workers so that basically wages don't go up if the economy and when the economy turns around. particularly in low-wage occupations, and they have very different motives. they have sees workers as pension members, and they want to court them. and so the stars are aligned in a very weird and unusual way here. >> john: i couldn't agree more. let me ask you a question. as secretary of labor you would know this. how much does our economy depend on the exploitation of undocumented workers. >> it doesn't demand much. most industries do not use
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undocumented workers, but there are some industries, i mean, cutting and sewing and the garment industry and meat packing, you've got certain industries that have a tradition of utilizing undocumented workers, and they are exploited to the extent that these workers can't and don't dare complain about bad working conditions and about not being paid. they're essentially indentureed servitude. >> indeed. we hope this leads to a better quality of life for workers. but is this how deals are supposed to get done? two special interest groups. >> the last time you had legislation hammered out between big business and big labor and a few senators was back in the
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1950s and 19 the 60s when labor was 35% of the workforce belonged to organized labor. big business was essentially you know, three major auto makers five major chemical makers seven giants in the steel industry, it was possible for them to get into one room, and hammer out legislation. we haven't seen anything like this in 40 or 50 years. >> john: from what you know about the guest worker deal, is it likely to push down or hold down wages and low skilled construction and manufacturing or other areas where many workers are just earning a pita pitanc. >> the deal which was signed off on was a deal in which the prevailing wage in the area would be the wage that these low-skilled workers would get or they would get a higher wage if they were americans and had the same degree of skills and same education and had a higher wage.
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now when the economy bounces back. we don't know when the unemployment is going to go down but when it bounces back these guest workers, if they come in the kinds of numbers that republicans and democrats are now talking about that is about up to 200,000 a year, maybe they don't we there'swon't depress wages but they won't allow wages to rise very much. >> john: let's talk about the trickle up affect. does this help or hurt president obama in his top priorities of growing the middle class. >> here is the deal with president obama. at least gets the beginning the momentum going on the whole issue of immigration reform. the toughest nuts to crack will be what to do about the 11 million undocumented workers here in the united states right now. republicans really are very, very concerned about it. tea partyers don't want them here. they want very strict border
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controls. a lot of democrats particularly democrats who are looking at the hispanic vote like the fact that 70% of hispanics voted for obama and are looking at undocumented workers as a source of votes. they want a different program. they want a clear path towards citizenship. it will be interesting. one week from today john, democrats and republicans who have been working on this, the gang of eight are going to come forward with their recommendations and that's going to be the sticking point. not the guest worker program, but what to do with these 11 million undocumented workers here in the united states. >> john: exactly. that's going to be the tricky part. robert reich, as always, many thanks for coming on the program. brilliant insights as usual. thank you. for more on the immigration bill shaping up in congress i'm happy to be joined by caesar
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vargas. let's get start: what do you think of the deal that's been laid out so far? >> we're definitely seeing practicing. the fact that we have two groups coming together we're seeing significance movement on policy. we're seeing everyone is celebrating in an optimistic way by senator lindsey graham, senate schumer even the house. but now we see senator rubio throwing cold water on the whole effort. >> john: not yet he hasn't. he's holding the bucket. >> he is staying pretty child. he's urging to take a fresh look. that really means to open the doors to alabama senator and texas senator who are really anti-immigrant opponents from any type of immigration reform
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let alone any "o" any bipartisan efforts. >> john: it's like he's telling the gang of eight that he's out of the gang. but is he out of i am kind of reform and he has his eyes on dc. you can't win the one out was the latino vote. >> that's what he's trying to handle and balance out from one instance clearly the politics for any presidential candidate you have to have some support for immigration reform. but then you have the other side that is really staunch. we're seeing senator rubio having a difficult time challenging his party at the same time trying to have a deal to ensure that he has some recognition. we're seeing in my perspective we see senator rubio not handling it in a way that is not showing leadership.
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>> i think we have people on both sides of the aisles that would agree with that. do the numbers see fair the number of workers coming in the country and the amount of wages that are being paid. >> we're seeing at the moment, we're seeing policy compromise from both sides. but the key question is not so much what is inside the talks, the discussions now, but what is going to come out of committee. what is going to come out of senate session introduces it. what is going to come out of all of this. we're urging senator rubio urging for a process with this type of senators to work, we have a lot of concern because we do have to see the line. we do have to see the final product coming out of committee. at this moment we're seeing significant policy. the politics is the sticking point. >> john: let me ask you a question to that end. the big elephant in the room is what happens to the undocumented workers who have been here for
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decades? what about the folks who are here? are they expected to self-deport and leave the country in order to reapply for the pathway of assistship? >> the key component is what to do with the 11 million undocumented immigrants. what we're seeing in the house and the senate is that those individuals would be allowed to stay. whether or not there would be a touchback provision. >> john: what is a touch back? >> it pretty much means that people would have to go back. at the moment we don't see that in the language, but again that will deal with the profits process which is ten years to citizenship. what is in that ten years. would there be fines would that be thousands of dollars? what type of proof people have% to meet.
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we do see an agreement reached but the details are going to be key coming out of committee. >> john: caesar vargas is director of the dream act coalition. we hope that you'll come back as this continues to unfold. >> thank you very much. >> john: you think oil pipelines are safe? try telling that to arkansas. they have a friendly neighborhood oil spill. coming up next. [ ♪ theme music ♪ ]
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>> john: it's time for the thing of the day, and tonight it's our tragic comedy of the day. the comedy part is basem yousef. the egypt tv satirist who is often compared to john stewart. the tragedy? he's been arrested for ridiculing egyptian president mohamed morsi, and then he wears a hat just like morsi wore recently in pakistan, and tweeting that police and prosecutors were begging to get
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their pictures taken with him. a quick note to president morsi. if you throw a tantrum when people laugh at you they laugh even harder. two saturdays ago the u.s. senate voted in favor of non-binding non-essential amendment to approve the keystone xl pipeline. this saturday a pipeline traveling through mayflower, arkansas ruptureed spilling 12,000 barrels of oil water over the neighborhood. it caused 22 homes to be evacuated in mayflower and officials are still trying to survey the total bred and cost of the damage. this is the marks the third major pipeline oil spill in the country in the past two years. the only solution to these
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threats? build more pipelines. with more on the expects of the keystone xl decision, i'm thrilled to be joined by bob cavnar, ceo of "clean energy" production company luca technologies, and a 30-year oil industry veteran. and bill mckibben. great to have you both. should we be surprised when we hear about these spills like the one in arkansas, or is this the price of having these pipelines crisscrossing our country. >> we should be shocked. the first keystone pipeline they built spilled 12 times in 12 months. the thing we didn't know about pegasus that spilled in arkansas, it's one-tenth the
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size of the keystone xl. if it was keystone xl it would not an river of oil running down the street but a niagara of oil spilling down the street. this is a folly to put a huge pop line over the aquifer. we're just asking for trouble. >> john: why are we having more of these pipeline spills than ever. this is the third in the past two years. >> there are a couple of things going on here. obviously we pay a lot more attention now to these kinds of things. at least people outside of the industry do since the blow out of the bp well, and the 5 million barrels of oil that spilled into the gulf. so people are much more attuned to these kinds of issues. we're producing more and more oil through some of these the the new horizontal wells domestically. so we're moving more oil domesticcally from wells to
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refineries and back throughout the u.s. >> john: do you think this spill will have an impact on the president's decision on the keystone pipeline? is this going to make senators think twice about this? >> well, it should. the none shah lance, it's really appalling our greatest scientists jim hansen provided after retirement after 42 years in nasa, he said 18 months ago burning this on top of everything else that we're burning, then it's game over for the climate. you think that would have gotten somebody's attention. sooner or later these things are going to add up and people will realize what unnecessary folly this is. >> john: i couldn't agree more. we heard the president talk
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about the dangerous how it's 20th century technology. coulddo you think he or members of congress could be swayed by the disasters in arkansas? >> i just don't. we're in a cycle of find it, produce it, burn it. find it, produce it, burn it. none of our economic--our political leaders are focused on what is the next step to get us off of that. the only way we get off the cycle of burning oil and natural gas, frankly is we reducing the demand for those hydrocarbons but without taking it out of the economy. we have to move towards a policy of putting renewables on the same level playing field as hydrocarbons and our leaders haven't done that. >> john: do you think there is a chance of happening over the next two years before the midterm election? >> i think there is a chance we
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can still stop this pipeline, and that will help. we're trying to raise a million public comments before the state department finishes it's environmental impact statement. it's a good comment just to send in a picture of that mess in arkansas. go to www.350.org , we've got it set up so you can do it easily. this is a real line in the tar sands, as it were. "time" magazine said that keystone had been the stone wall in the climate so we won't give up. >> john: before we move on to fracking, i have one question what is the biggest piece of information you've heard repeated about keystone, bob let me start with you. >> there are--there is actually misinformation on both sides of this issue. on the industry side they like to talk about jobs and how to
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improve the economy and all those things that hit the buttons with the republicans. it won't add jobs, in construction it will until it's completed. then there won't be that many jobs at all. the thought that we just can't do this. we have to stop this, and when private businesses are operating on a profit motive, it's very difficult to get the politicians to stop an activity. so the challenge here is to price all of the costs into every pit of energy that we have. so everything is more of a level playing field. i think that's where we get the drive for rather than arguing over jobs versus--or where the oil goes. >> john: right, and that's another big point. how this will bring gas prices down in america. what is the biggest myth that
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you keep hearing about keystone, and how do you respond to it? >> the biggest myth is that it's inevitable. a year ago people were saying, if we don't build t the canadians will build the pipeline through the pacific and send the oil to china that way. but they in canada they have blocked that pipeline. no one thinks it's going to be built any time soon. all that is left to find out is if the americans are the chumps now and allowing the pipeline to be built. >> john: in fracking,s not just what we're putting into the ground but what we're mutting putting in the air, can you explain? >> it's one of several processes. it's pumping the gelled water, it's a slick water, it has a reducer in it
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but also a gel that holds sand in suspension. it combines sand and this slick water down into the wells. when that gel breaks from heat, when the water flows back and the chemicals that were with it, the sand stays in place. when the fracture closes, it's propped open by that sand. the problem with sand is it's silicon. when i was a kid we did not even wear respirators. but today they're wearing respirators, and they're bringing up so much sand that it's exposing the sites and the crews themselves. a lot of crews work 12 hours a day in this environment. >> john: bill, before we go, what do you make of former pennsylvania governor ed rendell failing to mention his deep ties to the industry, is this common? >> this is pretty much how it
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works. you know the story in new york is a new study demonstrateing that frack gas is running through and it's escaping out into the atmosphere where it's driving climate change too. we used to think that fracked gas would be a bridge to the future but it's just one more fossil fuel stretching out into this carbon hype. time to put up the solar windows and get on to it. >> john: ceo and clean production company bob cavnar, and founder of 350.org bill mckibben. thank you for joining us always a pleasure to have you both. >> thank you. >> john: this week we're doing the state of idaho where they're finally standing up to fictional characters. that's ahead.
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>> john: this week our wtf america series looks at idaho where lawmakers are taking a
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tough stand against premarital sex, primarily fictional unmarried character engaging in premarital sex on television. that's right. idaho legislators are so moral they even want to ban the immoral activities of people who don't actually exist. urging the federal government and the fcc to prohibit the portrayal of implied or premarital sex on tv between 6:00 a.m. and 10:00 p.m. for 16 hours a day viewers will be spared trashy low brow stories like anna karenina and madam bovar and leaving airwaves safe for uplifting fare like honey boo boo and that chef who yells at people in kitchen restaurant. when i watch primetime tv i see
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a son of violence and bloody corpses on shows like csi but that doesn't seem to bother idaho lawmakers unless those decaying corporations are having premarital sex. i guess the plan is to protect the citizens of idaho from images of premarital sex. so nothing is more important than keeping everybody as ignorant about it as possible. wtf, idaho who is this bill even for? young people? they're not even watching tv. they're too busy having premarital sex. in reality it's not like they actually care. this is purely about political grandstanding.
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>> john: it is the question every high school senior is asked by their guidance council what would you do if you had $1 million. at the time our answers
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consisted of sitting on the couch all day getting high. but some people like rob harris had a different idea. he had the chance to review some of the most luxurious places around the world. he invested in 5,000 businesses through micro loans. instead of patting himself on the back for all the good work he had done. he decided to travel the world and meet firsthand the people his money had helped. i'm thrilled to welcome bob harris" the international bank of bob" it's on book shelves now. thanks for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> john: it's so great to meet such an inspiring capitalist. what drove you to want to give
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your money away? >> i had a crisis--everybody wants to do something good for the world. yet have no idea how. i'm getting paid to stay in these billion dollar palaces. that's great. but if you're in a country like a dubai where they're being constructed by servants who are paid $6 a day to build billion dollar palaces they'll never see the inside of. my dad ran gm. i couldn't pocket this money away and then look these guys in the eye. i have this relatively small nest egg what do you do? micro financing well, that's pretty good. i got involved with a charity that i don't work for speak for but i like them a lot, i started to make them loans. >> john: can you explain to our
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viewers who might want to know what micro loans are how that works? >> it's making the same financial tools that you and i take for granted available to the working poor. it can be micro loans. there is micro savings micro insurance. micro franchising going on in bangladesh. and it's a bottom-up approach to poverty he willeliminate alleviation. in an an area they say hum you need a hydroelectric dam. and that doesn't help. they know what they need. they have the solutions. this finances it for them. >> john: this is better for you than some foundation that helps people on a larger scale. >> maybe its ego investment, but
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you kind of want to know where the money goes. there are lots of great charities out there, but in this case you know specifically it's going to simon the farmer in kenya. it's going to the guy who makes fireworks in nicaragua. >> john: what was the size of the phones that you gave out. >> the average size loan is $400. i spread out my money as far as i could. $25 here a there and people from around the world would invest money. cumulatively helps people. >> john: howwhat made you want to see how it works. >> it was a treasure hunt. i learned the process of getting to know the local banking
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constitutions, budding up to them and making nice. it's a little like if you want to know the police, and you get to know the cops to get on the ride along. it's like that. i go to lebanon and get to know the lending institution. they trust me and i get to go out and meet clients. >> john: that's amazing. what surprised you the most about the people that you helped when you finally met them face-to-face? >> if there is any one thing there, are a lot of presumptions that we have about the rest of the world as being different from us. that's what gets exploded really fast. the american dream is that we all want to put food on the table, take care of our kids and give them a better life. that's the human dream. i found that in every single country i went to. i kept meeting my mom and dad in slightly different clothing. >> john: should we all do micro loans. >> yes, go to and click the
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giant lend button. there is a whole menagerie of people of people and their businesses of what you can invest $25 or more. >> john: what are some crazy experiences you had. >> there was often a social obligation to eat the food that was put in front of me. this was often--things were not posturized so often i would have the intestinal equivalent of an international incident. and then the kind of less flip answer the most important experience i had came down to five words that a guy told me in lebanon. he had his whole business destroyed in the war where hezbollah went to war. he lost everything. i asked him if he was angry. hezbollah, israel, anyone. he looked at me, this is the absolute truth. these are his five words, this is what this book about. it stuck with me.
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you love more, you win. this did not come out of a yoga class or a philosophy discussion. this guy who had his life blown up. to hear that in the middle of beirut, i'll buy that. that's what count good bob harris the author of "the international bank of bob." you can learn more about micro loans by his book. thank you for all the work you've done and the work you continue to do. >> thank you. it's a pleasure meeting you. >> john: we'll be right back.
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>> john: welcome back to "viewpoint." on social media i asked for your take on kim jong-un and north korea. and on facebook grace mckelvy quote, i didn't like it in the 80s, i don't like it now. an unelected leader the son of a former leader who likes to threat preemptive war against countries who never attacked him
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while ignoring the poor in society. whew i'm glad that never happened here. if you're a teenage boy watching this show pay close attention to this story which should not be hard because chances are you're on medication that is designed to keep your attention. one in five high school boys and 11% of all school age children have been askinged with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. with such a diagnoses often comes prescriptions which many of these children are taking each day. before we fill any more children with mind altering drugs we should ask whether they need it. for more on this i'm pleased to be joined by my none experts
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writer totally bias with w. kamau bell. what a great story. and lee camp. and boy you're the smartest kid in class, and the author of the rude pundit's almanac. you can buy it at or books.com. lee pappa. it's great to have you here. one out of five boys now is adhd you. we're all comedians by today's standards would the adolescent version of you have been diagnosed with adhd. >> how about the current version of me. we fill these kids with pills because they can't sit still in a wooden disk desk and listen to an angry teacher. none of us can do that.
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>> john: let's not besmirch by those who really do need it. i have letters from people who say their child's life was saved, or their lives were saved. >> i was once diagnosed with adhd and was given adderall. this is not a joke. i found--i loved at derail. adderall just made everything just the whole world came into focus because it was like that moment in where the squirrel takes caffeine and everything slows down. the way i solved it was i moved somewhere why it wasn't so friggin' boring. >> did you feel like you really needed it? >> i ended up giving it up because i just for some reason decided you know, i don't want to take that many drugs that
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aren't for recreational use. >> that's the responsible thing to do, i applaud you. there are many, many factors that can lead to adhd. divorce parents, video games awful nutrition but that does not account for the 53% increase over the past decade. is it the fault of the doctors prescribing the drugs, or parents who want their kids on the drugs. the pharmaceutical companies pimping this out or evolution taking away our attention spans. >> i think it's all of those factors. i think budget cuts in schools. >> john: very good. >> no one wants to entertain kids any more. they want to put them in a desk and drone at them for hours. pharmaceutical companies make quite a mint prescribing these things. >> john: always have. >> always have and yes huge evolution. we are a country now of instant gratification.
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>> john: that's true. >> and that definitely factors into it as well. >> john: it can be irritating when kids act like kids. >> surprising. >> one you didn't mention. we only test whether a kid can focus on a piece of paper and recite that information. but what about emotional intelligence. you can be the valedictorian and be the emotional level of dick cheney. >> john: that's true. we don't know how much of it is the culture. we're just bored of our surroundings. this is nothing new. her win accounted for 100% of profits when it was a non-addictive child's could have syrup. it used to be coke and her heroin. >> and you can throw in the prescription of anti-depressants and the pick up on the point jeannine was making with not
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just budget cuts at schools but reduction of things like recess arts programs, things that students used to care about in cool have been taken away. >> john: by the way, i don't call them anti-depressants but birth control. they're using bombs that use highly enriched uranium. didn't they clear this up with kim jong-un with dennis rodman's visit there? how easierly should we take this comedians? >> i will say, kim jong-un has a pretty sweet mushroom cut. and he has bad 90's hair, and if there is anyone who understands bad 90's hair is dennis rodman. >> i think this is a script for
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kim jong-un to star in for the next propaganda film for north korea. >> that's what scares me lee because in folks at home back me up on this. if this is ought bluster at what point is he going to have to put up or shut up. and prove to the five families that he's a real corleone. >> he already won the first round in i heard the harlem harlem globetrotters were over there and they tied. >> we only have a few seconds left. we all mock kim jong-un but is this something that we need to take serious? >> yes, this is something that we need to take seriously. but also when we created nuclear weapons we couldn't have thought we would only be the only ones.
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>> john: jeannine, what is your take. >> i'm neurotic. when i hear nuclear weapons i think it's the end. i think we should take it seriously. >> poke him in the stomach he'll giggle. >> john: yes that comment that we thought we were the only ones who we thought would have nukes we come back and look at public opinion because no one really needs to. we'll be right back.
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>> john: welcome back to "viewpoint." one last quick question for my panel. it's opening day for major league baseball. what is your prediction for this year's world series? >> i predict i'll eat all the chicken wings and then putting
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them on the tallahassee scallions. >> that is a perfectly good answer. >> i think they're going to be pretty good this year. now i think with lance armstrong armstrong, athletes will be scared of and it won't be as much fun. >> what do you think? >> i think baseball will be used as a test for adhd. >> john: i'm excited about baseball and i'm wearing a black armband under this suit because i'm a mets fan. tonight's f-bomb. just this morning chris brown went on the today show and told matt lauer how much he respects women. then he said he would never lip-sync again and then matt said how hard he fought to keep ann. it's april fool's day.
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the number one complaint about the g.o.p. was that they were too inflexible and unwilling to compromise. come on, gallup, nice joke. the g.o.p. inflexible? are you kidding me? they came up with the healthcare mandate and cheered when mitt romney did it in massachusetts. but when problem did it president obama proposed it, they proved inflexible enough to oppose it. how can you call a party inflexible to an idea that they were for. they were for it but then refused to fix it when president obama was for it. they were against guns whenned ronald reagan was for it. and then now they're flexible enough to change their position.
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when it comes to integrity some republicans always have the safety off. and speaking of reagan, he never balanced a budget. he banned torture. he raise the taxes 11 times. he negotiated with our enemies and gave amnesty to illegal immigrants. today's republicans are so double jointed they can despise all of that while still wearing their reagan pajamas to bed every night while their mom rands ayn randreads ayn rand stories. and mitt romney reverse be spandex. there is no more he flexible party than the republican party. they have a way of opening and expanding republicans minds tune in, turn on, sell out.
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if you still think the g.o.p. is inflexible, just wait until you see all the g.o.p. contortionism that comes out on gay marriage over the next two years. as more republicans are willing to accept gays as people except for lindsey graham because he said he ain't gay, and he is the straightest straight line in the senate. lindsey graham is so straight he'll never bend or yield or be versatile or switch in any way pap because this may an gag poll but your poll made lindsey graham gag. democratic lawmakers avow to put more effort into folding and caving on the issues their base believes in. that's "viewpoint" for tonight. i would like to thank my panel jeannine lee and

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